On this podcast, Motley Idiot analyst Karl Thiel joins host Ricky Mulvey to test in on the GLP-1 panorama. They focus on:
- How weight reduction medicine really work, and the way big-name prescriptions differ from one another.
- What traders have to find out about Ozempic’s and Mounjarno’s patent cliffs.
- The situations during which Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly are literally undervalued.
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A full transcript follows the video.
This video was recorded on March 01, 2025
Karl Thiel: There’s this quantity that retains getting thrown round, and that’s that that is going to be a $150 billion annual market. Now, I really feel that it is a kind of numbers that is change into inconsiderate and isn’t actually getting reexamined. Numerous assumptions go into that about how extensively these are lined by insurance coverage, about how lengthy individuals find yourself staying on a few of these medicine and a variety of different components. In the event you assume that Lilly and Novo Nordisk proceed to dominate the market, and also you assume it actually does go to $150 billion, nicely, Lilly begins to develop into that valuation, they usually begin to look fairly cheap just some years out.
Mary Lengthy: I am Mary Lengthy, and that is Motley Idiot analyst Karl Thiel. Weight reduction medicine like Ozempic and Mounjaro have dominated the information cycle for the previous couple of years now, however different GLP-1 medicine have been in the marketplace for the previous 20 years. Nonetheless, the newer progress of those medicine has loads of traders very optimistic, and there are different alternatives on this market past injections which might be presently underneath improvement. My colleague, Ricky Mulvey caught up with Karl to test in on the state of weight reduction medicine and the science behind them. In addition they focus on the fabric variations between key variations of various weight reduction medicine, issues about unwanted side effects, and the function of telehealth in prescribing GLP-1s, plus how retail traders must strategy this still-growing house.
Ricky Mulvey: One of many nice societal shifts of the previous decade, and I might say, into the subsequent decade is the introduction of weight reduction medicine. They’ve pushed gross sales progress for giant pharma firms, together with Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly. For instance, this previous 12 months, the gross sales of weight problems care merchandise for Novo rose by greater than 50% and Eli Lilly’s Mounjaro rose by 60%. Proper now, an estimated one in 20 American adults are on weight reduction medicine. Karl, as we get began, that is the quantity salad. However what do you make of all of those outcomes and the exploding recognition of GLP-1 medicine?
Karl Thiel: It is exceptional, however there’s loads of subtlety behind these numbers that you just simply talked about, and I am positive we’ll get additional into it. However one proper off the bat is that you just talked about one in 20 individuals being on these medicine. About one in eight individuals have tried them, and that already tells you one thing actually essential there, as a result of lots of people have tried them and are now not on them. These aren’t excellent medicine, and I believe there’s loads of push to make enhancements on them. On the similar time, you can argue that much more individuals needs to be on them than already are, given the state of the weight problems epidemic simply on this nation and the knock on well being results of that, by no means thoughts individuals with precise diabetes, which is who these medicine had been initially designed for.
Ricky Mulvey: Talking of the design of the drug, how did GLP-1 medicine really work?
Karl Thiel: GLP-1 it is a pure hormone match that everyone makes in their very own physique. It is launched from the small gut. If you eat, it binds to receptors within the pancreas, and it stimulates insulin manufacturing. It is simply a part of the pure means of urge for food and satiety. It slows gastric emptying. It indicators the hypothalamus to suppress starvation, which is all nice, so you make your individual free GLP-1. The factor is, human GLP-1 has a half life of 1 or two minutes, and that is the issue. The GLP-1 medicine that folks take have a half life on the order extra of like 5-7 days. It is stimulating the identical receptor. It is doing the identical factor that your pure GLP-1 does, however it acts for much longer. As an attention-grabbing little facet level, the construction of the GLP-1 medicine was initially impressed by the venom of the Gila monster. [laughs] The explanation I believe that there was some curiosity in that’s that the Gila Monster solely eats 5-10 occasions a 12 months. It makes its personal model of GLP-1, which is sort of a bit completely different has a for much longer half life, and that was the construction that impressed among the present medicine.
Ricky Mulvey: If you take a look at the large medicine, Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro, are there materials variations in how these work, or are all of them providing the identical factor?
Karl Thiel: There are some materials variations. Ozempic and Wegovy are each semaglutide. They each have the identical lively ingredient in them. Mounjaro and Zepbound, the 2 Lilly medicine even have the identical lively ingredient. That one is tirzepatide. However these two medicine differ. Each of them provide a GLP-1 agonist, so one thing that mimics principally GLP-1. However the Lilly medicine, Mounjaro and Zepbound, even have a second hormone agonist in it known as GIP which stands for both glucose-dependent insulinotropic polypeptide or gastric inhibitory polypeptide, relying on who you are speaking to.
Ricky Mulvey: One of many thrilling issues about these medicine is they do not simply assist with weight reduction. There’s some preliminary examples that folk with addictions could possibly use GLP-1 medicine to curb these addictions. Are you seeing sturdy proof for that, or is it anecdotal at this level? What different impacts are you noticing?
Karl Thiel: They’re really being studied in scientific trials for a few of this. Issues like alcohol dependancy and even drug dependancy. The approvals have not come via, so I suppose, you’ll be able to’t say that each one the proof is in, however I might say it’s greater than strongly anecdotal that there’s an impression right here. It is smart. These medicine are literally generally known as endodontics. They principally are to some extent, taking away a few of your curiosity in meals and in your mind, that curiosity with indulgence performs out in different methods as nicely. The concept there’s an dependancy function right here isn’t solely shocking.
Ricky Mulvey: These are the facet helpful circumstances, however the unwanted side effects even have some individuals nervous. I’ve seen criticisms from some well being influencers that actually these GLP-1 medicine needs to be reserved for excessive circumstances. A few of these unwanted side effects may embrace gastrointestinal points, temper adjustments, insomnia, and there is a concern about them being prescribed more and more to youngsters, slightly than simply going all out on the eating regimen and train route. Now that these medicine are more and more in style, are the issues in regards to the widespread destructive unwanted side effects taking part in out as these are prescribed to tens of millions of individuals?
Karl Thiel: You used the phrase excessive once you had been speaking about unwanted side effects, and that is a loaded time period, and it is fairly attention-grabbing. What you will note again and again within the scientific trials is that the businesses will speak about delicate to reasonable unwanted side effects and unwanted side effects that resolve over time, issues like that. From a scientific standpoint, many of the gastrointestinal unwanted side effects, that are actually the most typical ones, aren’t excessive. However they are often for some individuals. Furthermore, what counts as excessive to a clinician isn’t the identical as [laughs] what essentially counts as excessive to a person taking these medicine. You discover that over 50%, by most measures of individuals cease taking these medicine inside a 12 months, and by two years, it is 75%, 80% of individuals aren’t taking them anymore. Now, sadly, loads of the research which might be developing with these numbers aren’t essentially breaking down why persons are going off the medicine.
Definitely, insurance coverage and monetary components are taking part in into loads of that. However that is not the one cause. Unwanted effects are a major situation for having sufferers adhere to those drug regimens and if they do not know, you are going to see the advantages of them go away. That is an space the place I believe there’s loads of room for enchancment. However extra particularly on the difficulty of kids, I believe that is actually a query that hasn’t been answered but. I believe loads of medical doctors are hesitant to do this. However the thought of what’s excessive and what is not is one thing that I believe performs out in a variety of points.
Ricky Mulvey: Possibly severe unwanted side effects would have been a greater means of placing it. I am making an attempt to get you excited, Karl, as we speak in regards to the opposition and the individuals in favor of those medicine, however you did not wish to take the bait there. I get it. One of many newer developments is that the FDA has introduced the top of a scarcity of semaglutide merchandise. This impacts the compounding pharmacies in a means, however what does this headline imply for particularly the large pharma firms like Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk?
Karl Thiel: Compounding pharmacies have been round ceaselessly, however it’s not one thing that lots of people had even, I believe, heard of till the final couple of years. What it means is possibly not precisely what meets the attention. Lots of people have possibly heard of the corporate Hims & Hers. It is a publicly traded firm that has had fairly a meteoric rise of its inventory, so it is gotten lots of people . They simply introduced that they had been going to cease promoting the authorized doses of semaglutide, they usually’ve already, I consider, stopped with tirzepatide, and the inventory got here crashing down. That ought to have come as no shock to anyone who was paying consideration. It was inevitable that FDA was going to announce the top of the scarcity of semiglutide merchandise. Nonetheless, the explanation the compounding pharmacies exist is to supply individuals with medicine who can not use the usually manufactured variations. What Hims & Hers goes to do and what different compounding pharmacies will in all probability proceed to do is present the drug anyway, however to individuals whose medical doctors say they cannot take the authorized doses or they’re allergic to another ingredient, propylene glycol or one thing like that within the manufactured medicine, and they also want their very own customized model of it. Whereas Hims & Hers is actually forecasting a decline of their gross sales of GLP-1 medicine, they are not anticipating it to go to zero.
Ricky Mulvey: What you are saying is that Hims & Hers, the web pharmacies can nonetheless promote this drug. Is there a model of this the place they completely cannot promote compounded GLP-1 medicine?
Karl Thiel: There’s loads of grey space right here and there is loads of authorized forwards and backwards. However typically talking, compound pharmacies are going to be allowed to proceed promoting the drug in the event that they’re providing one thing that the producer would not provide. That’s since you want to have the ability to serve sufferers and actually, there’s really in all probability an argument to be made that in some circumstances, individuals want to actually high quality tune their doses of those medicine, that the given manufactured doses aren’t essentially the precise proper match for everyone, and a few individuals do have to high quality tune doses in between what the producers are providing. It may proceed to be a major enterprise.
Ricky Mulvey: One of many issues I fear about with these on-line pharmacies, and this got here from a dialog I had with Johann Hari final 12 months. He is the creator of Magic Tablet, which described the event and his journey with these weight reduction medicine. He talked in regards to the impact of those medicine on people with consuming problems, and that is what he needed to say about it. “These medicine are in all probability saving my life. In the event you take these medicine and also you had a BMI greater than 27, it lowers your threat of a coronary heart assault by 20%. Staggering and that is simply one of many many well being advantages of lowering or reversing weight problems. Equally, there are individuals with consuming problems who shall be killed by these medicine. I am actually nervous if we do not regulate these medicine, I can clarify how we’ll have an opioid like loss of life toll of younger women.” Do you suppose he is proper, or do you suppose that this worry is overblown?
Karl Thiel: Consuming problems are one thing which have impacted individuals in my life. It is one thing I do know a good bit about, and I’ve additionally thought of this. I undoubtedly take this actually significantly. On the similar time, what he is saying isn’t with out some anecdotal proof behind it, however it’s additionally principally hypothesis. There’s virtually zero actual knowledge at this level on this. I think about there shall be over time, however proper now, that knowledge simply just about would not exist. The truth is, these medicine are being checked out in virtually the other means, so for issues like treating binge consuming dysfunction or bulimia. I do suppose it is a concern. I completely do. You actually hope that when these medicine are prescribed, there is a cause that you need to undergo a prescriber. Any person needs to be making an analysis about whether or not it is inappropriate. I believe loads of telehealth complicates that image, and in order that could be one thing that does emerge as an issue over time, however proper now, we simply do not actually have the proof of what is going on on.
Ricky Mulvey: I believe the priority is in case you’re not going to a physician that is seeing the bodily adjustments otherwise you’re capable of lie about your weight, there shall be methods to sport the system that would doubtlessly damage individuals with that dependancy. However I perceive what you are saying with the opposite sorts of addictions and problems that it may assist.
Karl Thiel: On high of that, any person can begin to undergo from an anorexic kind consuming dysfunction whereas nonetheless being obese. It is rather difficult and sadly, actual consciousness with treating consuming problems continues to be pretty unusual. It is one thing that loads of medical doctors aren’t particularly good at. If an issue emerges with this, I would not be completely shocked by it. Proper now, we simply haven’t got the numbers behind it.
Ricky Mulvey: Let’s get to the patent safety as a result of when drug makers make a blockbuster drug, they solely have a sure period of time to capitalize on it earlier than generics may be made off of it. The patents for Ozempic are set to run out in 2032 within the US. Mounjaro is 2036. If you take a look at these patent cliffs, how does that impression Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly, and what ought to their traders take into account?
Karl Thiel: Usually talking, when a drug goes off patent and generic competitors is available in, the gross sales of the unique branded drug plummet extraordinarily quickly on the order of 80 or 90%. What is going on to occur right here is determined by loads of issues. To some extent, you are already seeing that these medicine, I ought to level out, aren’t the primary GLP-1 medicine to hit the market. The truth is, the primary one to hit the market was a drug known as Exenatide. It was authorized in 2004 or 2005. These been round for 20 years. That first drug, it was not almost as potent or as efficient as the present era, however it just lately went generic. Additionally, so did one other GLP-1 compound known as liraglutide, which is offered underneath the model names Victoza and Saxenda. The Victoza model, the model that is used for diabetes, additionally just lately went generic.
You may see some impression there, and in reality, we have talked about Hims & Hers. That is one in all their methods is to attempt to push individuals towards liraglutide as a substitute of semaglutide. However it’s been attention-grabbing to look at pricing of those medicine. Usually talking, drug makers value very aggressively. They have an inclination to extend costs over time. That is occurred a tiny bit, simply by a few p.c for these manufacturers like Ozempic and Mounjaro. However in actual fact, Lilly specifically, has been fairly aggressive about its pricing technique, they usually’ve really dropped some costs and provided some completely different dosing choices. The priority actually it is not even a lot about generics. It is actually about, I believe, addressing individuals who haven’t got insurance coverage and who’re simply paying out of pocket and in addition compounding. They’ve began to supply, as a substitute of simply the auto injector pens, they’ve provided the medicine and vials at diminished costs. It is attention-grabbing to see that technique going ahead, the place they actually know they’re addressing an enormous out of pocket inhabitants. 2032 continues to be a fairly great distance away and so what’s actually going to matter is that if there are considerably higher medicine round by then. By which case, it might not matter a lot that these go off patent.
Considerably higher, proper now, loads of firms are attempting to push for medicine that end in much more weight reduction. However I believe you see from the quantity of discontinuation, it is actually, I believe, opposed occasions which might be going to outline what makes these medicine higher for lots of people, in case you actually discover that they’re simpler to take for lengthy intervals of time.
Ricky Mulvey: One of many ways in which the drug makers are attempting to innovate is by introducing extra weight reduction capsules. We have been speaking about injections up to now. However Eli Lilly proper now has $550 million value of, pre launch stock for its weight reduction capsule that it is hoping to convey to market. What are you seeing within the preliminary outcomes for that? Do you suppose these may change the injections?
Karl Thiel: I’ll nerd out on you a bit bit right here, simply because [laughs] it is actually attention-grabbing what they’re doing. Orforglipron, which is the drug that they’re hoarding $550 million from, regardless that they do not have the Section 3 outcomes on it but, that’s what’s known as a small molecule drug. It’s a capsule, however it’s a non peptide agonist. That’s actually attention-grabbing as a result of this actual drug doesn’t exist within the business market but in any kind, for any illness, to my data. All these medicine are what are known as peptide medicine. They’re brief proteins and the explanation that they do not work very nicely as capsules is as a result of in case you swallow a protein, your physique breaks it down. It could’t actually deal with the acid setting of the abdomen. It would not undergo the abdomen wall into the bloodstream very nicely. There’s a lot of causes that it is actually exhausting to make a peptide work as a capsule. Now, some firms have accomplished it.
You are able to do all types of issues to a capsule type of a peptide to make it work and in reality, there’s a Novo Nordisk model of semaglutide known as Rybelsus that does precisely this, however it would not work all that nicely, and it has loads of unwanted side effects. Quite a lot of persons are engaged on capsules for weight reduction, however they imply actually various things by them. It makes an enormous distinction whether or not you imply, I am taking a peptide and making it work as a capsule or I’m simply making a small molecule drug that isn’t a peptide. That’s the case with this drug, orforglipron. It’s a non peptide agonist. They are not the one ones which might be engaged on this. There are some others, but when it really works, it is actually essential as a result of these medicine are a lot simpler to fabricate. You are able to do issues like make $550 million value of it and retailer it away as a result of it has a [laughs] good lengthy shelf life and may work a lot better when it comes to absorption and different issues that you really want out of a capsule. However, we’ve not but seen the ultimate knowledge on them. The best way they’re working as small molecules go, they’re really slightly complicated, they usually have to actually bind into an enormous, versatile pocket on a category of receptor known as the G protein-coupled receptor. It is difficult. There’s an opportunity that they might have greater charges of, say, off beam results, which may imply greater unwanted side effects. That is the factor you are actually going to must search for within the Section 3 research. Clearly, Lilly feels very assured about this.
Ricky Mulvey: Traders are additionally feeling fairly assured about Eli Lilly. I am a shareholder, however I am a bit involved. It trades at 75 occasions earnings. Hims & Hers, which we have talked about, is greater than 100 occasions earnings. The web pharmacy is round six-ish occasions gross sales. It is a youthful rising firm. What are the situations you suppose that these shares are a cut price on reflection? What are the examples possibly the place the market is correct about these value tags?
Karl Thiel: Lilly had about $16.5 billion of gross sales in 2024 of Mounjaro and Zepbound mixed. I believe they’re taking a look at one thing like, $28 billion in 2025. I believe estimates are operating round there. There’s this quantity that retains getting thrown round, and that’s that that is going to be a $150 billion annual market. Now, I really feel that it is a kind of numbers that is change into inconsiderate and isn’t actually getting reexamined. Numerous assumptions go into that about how extensively these are lined by insurance coverage, about how lengthy individuals find yourself staying on a few of these medicine and a variety of different components. In the event you assume that Lilly and Novo Nordisk proceed to dominate the market, and also you assume it actually does go to $150 billion, Lilly begins to develop into that valuation, they usually begin to look fairly cheap just some years out.
I’ll say that I do suppose Lilly is fairly clearly the very best positioned firm on this house proper now. There is no cause to suppose that Lilly and Novo will not have the lion’s share of the market over the subsequent few years and possibly Lilly in a considerably higher place than Novo. If that each one performs out and it actually does ramp like this, then that value may look cheap. Now, there’s loads of uncertainty about this as a result of it is so aggressive. There are such a lot of individuals gunning to do that. The medicine themselves are questionable in how lengthy individuals hold utilizing them. There’s an entire lot of transferring elements that would change the image. We’ll must see the way it shapes up.
Ricky Mulvey: There’s a model the place there’s some irrational exuberance happening, which is one thing that I’ve observed in myself as nicely once I’ve checked out these firms. That is one thing that I am intensely optimistic about, and I am not the one particular person available in the market that feels that means. How do you suppose retail traders ought to strategy this pattern? Is there a better of the bunch, a basket strategy? Take the distributors, however not the drug makers, brief sweet firms? What ought to we be doing right here? [laughs]
Karl Thiel: I believe a basket strategy on this case, in case you’re fascinated with it makes some sense as a result of I believe if you are going to decide one firm, decide Lilly or Novo Nordisk. Truthfully, I like Novo Nordisk a bit bit higher simply because regardless that I do not suppose they’re fairly as nicely positioned, they’re a heck of loads cheaper, and I believe persons are a bit pessimistic about them versus being extraordinarily optimistic about Lilly proper now. In different phrases, if issues do not go completely, I believe it will damage Novo loads much less that it will damage Lilly, and if issues go rather well, I believe they each profit. However I additionally suppose in case you’re fascinated with some firms that might be big house run winners from right here, yeah, possibly take into account taking a basket strategy as a result of issues are simply altering so rapidly that it is actually exhausting to look ahead 5 – 6 years and say precisely how it will work out. I believe there are a variety of attention-grabbing firms on the market which might be taking part in on this house. However a much less dangerous method to do it, say, could be so as to add in another giant pharma firms that produce other issues going for them, like Pfizer, for example.
I talked a bit bit in the past about non peptide agonists and Lilly’s orforglipron that they are engaged on. Nicely, Pfizer can be engaged on one known as Danuglipron. It is had some scientific questions alongside the best way, so I am not fully assured in it, however it’s additionally actually one thing that Pfizer is pushing ahead on very aggressively. That would actually find yourself being a participant, and Pfizer is in any other case trying pretty low cost proper now. It is a cheap funding and a superb dividend. Roche is one other firm that is very lively on this house and will find yourself being a participant and once more, has much more going for it, so you are not placing all of your eggs in a single basket.
Ricky Mulvey: Exterior of the large pharma firms, Lilly, Novo Nordisk, Pfizer, what are among the firms we needs to be taking a look at? What is the aggressive panorama trying like for these GLP-1 medicine?
Karl Thiel: There are smaller gamers gunning for a task on this, too. Definitely, one which will get a good bit of consideration is an organization known as Viking Therapeutics. They’ve a drug that is fairly much like Mounjaro in that it really works on the identical mechanisms. It is GLP-1 plus GIP, identical to Mounjaro. They’re engaged on each an oral model of it and an injected model of it. Transferring into Section 3 needs to be very quickly with the injectable model. They might be out within the not too distant future with a model of that. One of many enticing issues about them is that notably with the oral model, appeared prefer it had a really favorable facet impact profile. It’d really be a lot simpler for individuals to take. They possibly have a ecosystem during which you can begin on their injectable and transfer to their oral for long run upkeep. That is an attention-grabbing firm. There’s one other firm known as Construction Therapeutics that can be engaged on a non peptide small molecule, however there are different ones coming alongside on a regular basis. Lilly has partnered with an organization known as Laekna, which I believe is in Hong Kong, that they are taking a look at different issues that you are able to do with these medicine.
For example, possibly when individuals are likely to lose loads of weight, in addition they are likely to lose loads of muscle mass. That is one other space you can take a look at is are you able to protect muscle mass whereas persons are losing a few pounds? That is one thing I do know Lilly is taking a look at with this firm additional down the street. There’s one other firm known as Metsera that’s taking a look at actually prolonged dosing. There’s loads of gamers on this house.
Ricky Mulvey: As we zoom out, are there any shocking knock on financial results that you just’re seeing? I bear in mind I believe it was final 12 months, one of many airways stated that possibly it’s going to assist them with gasoline effectivity as extra People drop pounds they usually’re carrying much less weight on their passenger airplanes. That looks like a bit little bit of a financial institution shot, [laughs] however are there any financial results that you’ve got observed from these medicine rising in popularity?
Karl Thiel: I believe it is a bit bit exhausting proper now to see it on a populationwide foundation. It is in all probability occurring, however I do not know that you will see it fairly but. As you zoom in, you will note that in case you take a look at households the place you realize if persons are particularly on these GLP-1 medicine, they’re shopping for much less meals. You have seen firms like Common Mills and Conagra are literally launching new product traces which might be principally aimed toward GLP-1 customers. It will be smaller parts of merchandise with boosted fiber and protein content material for them, particularly to deal with the wants of GLP-1 customers. You have seen it in a number of particular areas. Intuitive Surgical, for example, is an organization that makes a robotic surgical instrument. They’ve stated that bariatric surgical procedures, for example, have dropped fairly considerably. They’re seeing much less of that as a result of persons are opting to go on these medicine slightly than get bariatric surgical procedure. Areas like that, I believe, over time, will you begin to see cardiovascular well being enhance within the nation. It could make sense given the impression of the medicine, that knowledge goes to take some time to point out up.
Ricky Mulvey: One of the vital attention-grabbing results to me is how these massive meals firms are reacting as a result of loads of the individuals who take these medicine change into extra fascinated with entire unprocessed meals. The response has to incorporate giant manufactured extremely processed meals. We’ll see. I am skeptical in regards to the uptake from GLP-1 customers for a few of these choices from the large meals firms, however we’ll see. Karl, as we wrap up, as we glance to the 12 months forward, are there any key weight reduction trials that you just’re maintaining a tally of that our listeners ought to carry on their radar?
Karl Thiel: Yeah, one other actually essential one for Lilly is a drug known as retatrutide generally referred to as triple-G. Once more, one other factor that firms are doing as they attempt to enhance on these medicine is locate completely different mechanisms. Lilly has a drug that not solely targets GLP-1 and GIP, like Mounjaro, but additionally targets glucagon. That is the triple-G. That is going to learn out later this 12 months, and what we have seen up to now is that it seems to be much more potent than Mounjaro. We talked about orforglipron. That is going to have outcomes late within the second quarter after which another Section 3 outcomes later within the 12 months. Then one other essential one is Novo Nordisk’s amycretin. That’s their oral drug, which we’ll see enter Section 3 this 12 months. We’re in all probability not going to truly see outcomes this 12 months, however that’s their wager to have a observe on to semaglutide. Once more, it is one thing that appeared very promising in Section 2, however we’ll must see the way it performs out, particularly as we see extra facet impact info come out.
Ricky Mulvey: Karl Thiel, respect you being right here. Thanks on your time and perception.
Karl Thiel: Thanks.
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